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Lexa
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My um... 'computer' of 14 years is about to die.. the mouse is refusing to move and my coffee-hol... oops sorry, I mean my disc drive is stuck so I need to go get a new one but quite honestly.... I don't have a clue what's out there anymore (mainly due to being a technophobe!) ... and it's taken 45 minutes to type this! What's out there? = anyone recently bought a computer? Or, seen something you like the look of ... or can recommend the one you already own ???? All I need it for is storage / games / music / TV and DVDs + some video phoning across the globe so does it help to have all the Biz? - HD/ Blu-ray? / dual/triple? core etc etc or will it be obsolete by the time I reload my internet? (I know I need lots of USB ports !!!! :lol: ) ...would prefer XP over Vista mainly because Vista eats memory in order to run (so I hear?) plus can't be bothered to relearn where to find everything (like 'save' and the 'underline' ! etc :D ) but am open to suggestions! - would also be fab if everything was already pre=loaded - but I don't think that is possible even in this day and age! Did buy an 'Acer' in spring but it's hard drive crashed twice! so that went back and I hope to be getting a new one at the end of August so all ideas / sugge3stions / recommendations gratefully accepted! THANKS! :)

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You'll be hard pressed to find a new XP machine unless you get a netbook or something that comes with Vista but has an XP downgrade disc (if you're up to doing that). Yes, Vista does need a lot more memory than XP, but then XP needed a lot more memory than earlier versions of Windows. My home machine runs Vista very comfortably with 2GB of RAM. Despite the many complaints on the net, Vista isn't that much different to XP in how you "get around" though the security nags are annoying (but can be turned off - at your own peril!).

If you can possibly hold on, I'd wait until later in the year when the new version of Windows is out. Windows 7 seems to be less demanding on the hardware (I had it running on a not-brilliant laptop with 512Mb of RAM), or Vista machines should see a drop in price then. Some Vista machines now should come with a free W7 upgrade (for when it's out) but (unless the rules are different in such cases) W7 in the Eu is "full install" only, so not a job for a technophobe!

Unless you want Blu-Ray (or it's in a machine you want anyway), I wouldn't bother as you'll need a huge monitor or the ability to hook it up to your TV to get full use out of it. I've stated on another thread that I am trying to avoid Blu-Ray as I think it's another way of getting us to fork out for the same media again.

Get a dual-core machine - quad is probably over-specced for your requirements.

RAM: XP>1GB, Vista>2GB, W7>2GB(possibly less, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Make sure that you have a dedicated graphics card for games - look at the specs of games you are interested in and make sure whatever you buy has a suitable card. Built-in card readers are very useful.

Avoid PC World at all costs; Aldi sometimes have good deals (though Medion's tech support sucks the big one). Most computers do come pre-loaded with stuff like anti-virus, some sort of burning software, some sort of office software, DVD software etc but check - often these are time-limited or cut-down versions. Also McAfee and Nortaon are usually the free A/V offering, both are resource hogs.

Don't forget to budget for any extras you may need: keyboard/mouse/monitor, USB hub(!), external hard disc (worth getting for back-ups), printer, software (though there are generally good and legally free equivalents of most programs).

I would recommend (in order):

1) Waiting and getting a W7 machine (though there may be problems with older games)
2) Getting and waiting to see if Vista machines drop in price after W7 is out
3) Getting a Vista machine
4) Going for XP (if you have to!)

That said - is your machine really 14 years old? Is it really Windows 95? If you're exaggerating and it's XP then borrow a new mouse and test it or (if yours is still a "ball" mouse) pop out the ball and give the innards a clean. If your drive just doesn't eject, live with using "right click + eject" on the drive on "My Computer" if that still works (or try the "straightened paperclip in the emergency eject hole" trick. If those are your only problems, a new optical drive is pretty cheap these days!

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Lexa
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Thanks LeM - This is extremely helpful!...
(You realise that you are now going to be one of the Forum's Techno Nerd Kings don't you? :P )

:( I thought I could still get XP! OK so which Vista is the best then ? - are there 3 different ones arn't there?... - Home/ Premium and....something else?- (sounds like people didn't like the completely different layout then?)

LeMarchand":psybqkx5 wrote:
...Avoid PC World at all costs; Aldi sometimes have good deals (though Medion's tech support sucks the big one). Most computers do come pre-loaded with stuff like anti-virus, some sort of burning software, some sort of office software, DVD software etc but check - often these are time-limited or cut-down versions. Also McAfee and Nortaon are usually the free A/V offering, both are resource hogs.

AWW! :o What's wrong with PC World? - I was going to take all my suggestions there - that narrows the field down a lot !

LeMarchand":psybqkx5 wrote:
...Don't forget to budget for any extras you may need: ...... external hard disc (worth getting for back-ups), printer, software (though there are generally good and legally free equivalents of most programs).

That said - is your machine really 14 years old? Is it really Windows 95? If you're exaggerating and it's XP then borrow a new mouse and test it or (if yours is still a "ball" mouse) pop out the ball and give the innards a clean. If your drive just doesn't eject, live with using "right click + eject" on the drive on "My Computer" if that still works (or try the "straightened paperclip in the emergency eject hole" trick. If those are your only problems, a new optical drive is pretty cheap these days!

I got an optical and ball mouse... they are both on strike... might be my leaking memory as not sure where it keeps going but the next day it's back... (all part of age..)
I have a Buffalo external hard drive waiting for 'when-I-get-a-new-computer' it is for 500gb (I know, - I know it will prob back up the whole street, but I'm planning more photos see... :P - I also have a Clickfree, for a now deceased work laptop so ok for backup, but I prefer AVG over Norton and McAfee as AVG is less complicated (?)

I will check out all your points from 1 to 4 above as it's good advice and glad I checked - and I 'supose I'd better get the Vista handbook out on how to find my way around the desktop then...

Yep - my PC (a Fujitsu) is 14 - started as W95, then 98 / then Millenium then XP - I have beat it up a bit over the years but to its credit has lasted really well...

Any ideas about the different makes?
- Suppose should go for another Fujitsu (if still around) but want a change - love a Toshiba - or LG if they made PC's and Dell - well we had them at work and didn't think much of them then, but maybe the stuff you get in companies is different from outside??? Then there is Samsun(g)? which I have heard is supposed to be the best in the world (?) - as the insides of all the computers on the market are apparently made by them, But I've never actually seen any for sale? ... There is just too much out there really, and for an uninformed person it would be like taking a pin and blindfold to the shop.... :(

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By the way I am now camping with my torch inside my desk compartment and looking at my PC drive and can't see any 'emergency eject hole'....

:lol: :lol:

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Unless you've pretty much replaced everything but the case, I'm amazed that it runs at all if you're using a Windows 95 machine to run XP!

If you're going for Vista Home Premium is the best value - avoid Home Basic (slightly too basic), and what you get extra in "Ultimate" isn't worth the dosh (and you obviously don't need the Business version). Vista's layout isn't as different as some make out, especially if you don't go delving "under the hood" and looks prettier IMHO.

PC World: over-priced and their warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Mouse problems - have you tried a different port?

Memory leaking - have you run an anti-spyware scan (e.g. Spybot), an antivirus scan and (this one may be a bit "techie") checked your startup programs (msconfig)? There's probably a bunch of programs that are unnecessarily starting with Windows - Adobe Reader and Quicktime are prime culprits for this. Also, if you have ever had Norton or McAfee installed, did you use their own removal tools to get rid of them, or just Add/Remove programs? Both tend to leave rubbish behind that only the (freely downloadable) tools on their sites completely remove. If you get a PC with either installed and decide to use AVG (perfectly fine, and free!) then make sure you use these to completely shift them. How much RAM do you have and do you ever get "Windows needs to increase your virtual memory" notices? Check your device drivers are up-to-date and make sure you have all "important" Windows updates in place (XP should be on SP3, too).

Fujitsu are still going, as are Toshiba, HPs are generally OK, I quite like Dells as they tend to be easy to work on internally and their (business) support is generally very good - their "home" support is reputedly lousy, though. If you like a model, check the company's website for driver support. Last time I had to find some Acer drivers (for instance) their site was almost unusable, whereas HP, Dell and Tosh all have easy-to-use sites.

500Gb sounds a lot, but you'd be surprised at how easy it is to fill - especially with video files!

Oh - normally there's a small hole near the eject button on an optical drive: stick a pin/paperclip in there and it will generally eject (might need to wiggle it).

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On the subject of Vista and W7, most retailers are offering free W7 upgrades for those who buy Vista machines now, so you would only have to put up with Vista for 2-3 months. If you are dead set on having XP some online retailers still allow for you to pick what operating system you can install on a new rig.

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I'm about as techie as you Lexa! I've got a Dell laptop that's done me really well. It only cost about Ј300 and it seems to be almost indestructible - I spilt a glass of wine over it the other day and it's still soldiering on. I think with Dell so long as you only do the basics the computers are pretty good, but if you want to use it for gaming then you should probably go for something else.

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Was in a branch of Morrisons earlier: Compaq w. XP Home, 160GB HD, 1GB RAM + 19" monitor for Ј299.

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Thanks guys - really appreciate being able to pick your brains! ... Keep it coming as I'm making a really long list!

LeMarchand":1lt85g6n wrote:
Unless you've pretty much replaced everything but the case, I'm amazed that it runs at all if you're using a Windows 95 machine to run XP!

:lol: :lol: I'm just amazed that you're amazed - I thought it was normal!
(It actually just goes to show how long things do last for and what a 'throwaway' society we live in! )

But about 10 years ago I put in a soundcard, some extra memory and a DVD rewriter on top of the CD and Floppy drives (that's the one that's jammed by the way and has no eject hole!) - It only has around 200MB at the mo which yo-=yo's every day, - so can't affort to load any thing on as it's running on bare bones... God A new PC will be like Heaven!.. I think you are right, I am sure there are lots of start up things on there (although it's showing up as empty..) I do have a 'Window Washer' and a 'Reg Cure' which helps a bit - I also had System Mechanic 8 but that was a bit of a dodgy version and tended to bung it up after it sorted everything out.. Apparently System Mec 9 has it now sorted, sounds brilliant and will try it out (unless everyone says not to) (you can tell I like easy things!_) plus can't do the 'eject' thing on the stuck drive as it's now not even showing up, but will check out the antivirus uninstall stuff..?)

Exelion":1lt85g6n wrote:
On the subject of Vista and W7, most retailers are offering free W7 upgrades for those who buy Vista machines now, so you would only have to put up with Vista for 2-3 months. If you are dead set on having XP some online retailers still allow for you to pick what operating system you can install on a new rig.

Thanks Exelion - it's a shame but on hearing what you are all saying it would be unrealistic to keep going for XP - with the onset of Vista, XP sounds like they are winding down anyway? ...
( and Lem mentioned a word that convinced me.... ' DOWNgrade' to XP!' ... :lol: )

Idoru":1lt85g6n wrote:
I'm about as techie as you Lexa! I've got a Dell laptop that's done me really well. It only cost about Ј300 and it seems to be almost indestructible - I spilt a glass of wine over it the other day and it's still soldiering on. I think with Dell so long as you only do the basics the computers are pretty good, but if you want to use it for gaming then you should probably go for something else.

Idoru ! another kindred spirit (although I reckon you know more about it all than me!).. and on thinking back to my work 'Dell' laptop, it used to break down a lot, and all the keyes on my keyboard fell off...!! :unsure: ( but that could be me?) but it actually wasn't that bad - we could only keep them for 3/4 years and then had to get a new one - probably because it was put through 'industrial' strength useage?
(I like technology - infact I love it... I just don't knopw how it works! :D )

LeMarchand":1lt85g6n wrote:
Was in a branch of Morrisons earlier: Compaq w. XP Home, 160GB HD, 1GB RAM + 19" monitor for Ј299.

I shall go have a look! but staying with the supermarket thing, my Dad and I were browsing in Sainsburys the other day and I could not believe how much they were selling their 35" flat screen TV's for!! (around Ј300!) unbelievable!

PS: Any idea when W7 is coming out?

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Lexa":4fllmgy7 wrote:
Any idea when W7 is coming out?

From memory, next week RTM (release to manufacturer, which means new machines should start to appear with it on), end of October retail (you may still be able to get copies at the non-"early bird" pre-order price - still a good saving - but if you're going down that route, a new machine with it pre-installed will be a lot easier!). I'll try to remember to check this evening - time to go out.

P.S. Some techies will joke that Vista->XP is an upgrade!

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Lexa":3q7uxt4s wrote:
(It actually just goes to show how long things do last for and what a 'throwaway' society we live in! )

But about 10 years ago I put in a soundcard, some extra memory and a DVD rewriter on top of the CD and Floppy drives (that's the one that's jammed by the way and has no eject hole!) - It only has around 200MB at the mo which yo-=yo's every day, - so can't affort to load any thing on as it's running on bare bones... God A new PC will be like Heaven!.. I think you are right, I am sure there are lots of start up things on there (although it's showing up as empty..) I do have a 'Window Washer' and a 'Reg Cure' which helps a bit - I also had System Mechanic 8 but that was a bit of a dodgy version and tended to bung it up after it sorted everything out.. Apparently System Mec 9 has it now sorted, sounds brilliant and will try it out (unless everyone says not to) (you can tell I like easy things!_) plus can't do the 'eject' thing on the stuck drive as it's now not even showing up, but will check out the antivirus uninstall stuff..?)

Thanks Exelion - it's a shame but on hearing what you are all saying it would be unrealistic to keep going for XP - with the onset of Vista, XP sounds like they are winding down anyway? ...
( and Lem mentioned a word that convinced me.... ' DOWNgrade' to XP!' ... :lol: )

It's not so much the "throwaway society" aspect (I'm a terrible hoarder of old computer parts that might come in useful one day) but that the processor and motherboard (unless they've been upgraded!) on a W95 machine probably aren't up to running XP (and - though over the "official" minimum specification - neither is 256Mb of RAM).

Don't use any of the software that you mention, but I did look them up - WW seems to be a basic "clean up" utility. I use CCleaner (free/donationware) which does much the same without the scheduling aspect (though you could use Windows' own scheduler to automate - I have it running on Startup, but have a powerful enough machine for this not to be a problem). CCleaner also includes a registry cleaner (like RegCure), but most people will tell you that these are more trouble than they are worth. I personally haven't had any problems with the one in CCleaner, but only use it as a last resort, or check each suggested deletion carefully - and always make a backup first. Not used System Mechanic; it sounds like an easy way to do a lot of things at once but I tend to do the things it does manually or with other software.

Is your drive still no good? Is it showing in "Device Manager"? Have you tried reseating the cables to it? I'd definitely try a Spybot scan to see if that helps your speed and (if you can borrow some until you get a new machine) a bit more RAM. Also try Start>Run and type msconfig and press Enter. Look in the "Startup" tab and have a look what's there, some of it should be there (stuff like antivirus progs and sound/video card things) but a lot of it will be unecessary (Quicktime, Adobe, MediaPlayer) and there could even be some nasties staring with Windows.

XP was supposed to stop shipping June 2008, but this was extended to Jan this year and appears to have been further extended as it is less resource hungry than Vista, and so more suitable for low-end netbooks. MS are still providing updates until 2014 (allegedly) but aren't planning further Service Packs.

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Catching up with this, - I haven't done that Java thingy you mentioned LeM but will give it a go...

Also thought this was interesting - Iolo sent me a flyer for System Mec 9 and a write up about Registry cleaners which I will share with you....

Registry Cleaners: Snake-Oil or PC-Panacea?
Many of our customers report advertisements for so-called "registry cleaners" popping up all over the web these days. These cleaner-programs are cleverly positioned as the one-click cure to any number of creative computer ailments, from general annoyances to outright machine failure.
Savvy iolo customers routinely ask for our opinion about registry cleaners. Our response is simple: Yes, cleaning the registry is an important part of overall PC maintenance, but it is far from a complete solution, and by no means the cure-all it has been made out to be lately (acai berry anyone?).
More importantly, iolo Labs testing has shown that only cleaning your registry can actually make your PC slower than before, because the cleanup process fails to account for the bloat and fragmentation left over after removing orphaned data. Without a total solution, your registry just becomes a larger block of swiss cheese with more holes each time you clean it.

No doubt trying to promote their own? but needless to say, I removed 'Regcure' from my PC to see what happened and the memory is no longer jumping about! - I was down to 4Mb at one stage then jumped back up to 280Mb and now its at 128Mb (appalling I know) but seems to be quite steady and even 'gaining' !! an Mb a day?... :blink:

Haven't had a chance to go to Morrisons and check out that Compaq or anything as yet, but saw a couple of Fujitsu in the Argos Cat the other day ... ? Any Thoughts?

Anyone ever seen a file that says something like $UNINSTALL ? - I appear to have hundreds of them on one of my programme files....
??

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LeMarchand
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This looks like good value for Ј400 .

Their customer service/warranty sucks the big one though.

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Lexa
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Impressive.

Brilliant amount of memory! (can't have enough as it seems to always be overtaken by newer and larger capacity coming onto the market ..?)

Do you think I would survive it - as it sounds really 'techie'.... and is there a catch?
(apart from the naff warranty) ? .... (....which prob is quite a Big catch?)

Plus having never used it - do I need to be concerned about the wireless-LAN?
( - would I need to be parked near an ariel etc? :rolleyes: !)

Interested to see what everyone says about W7 when it comes out...

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Hi Lexa.

Windows 7 looks good and better than Vista. I`am still using XP Professional myself which seems to work well with most Games and programs. I`ll probably buy Windows 7 when it comes out and hope that most of my software and hardware will still work!

I use Max Registry Cleaner and Diskeeper to maintain my hard drives. Diskeeper does the same as the Defragger that comes with Windows but better and alot quicker. I don`t use Max Registry Cleaner too much. Maybe once a month.

One of the big problems with upgrading the operating system is that you have to backup any useful files that you want to keep eg: pictures, videos games etc. I`ve got a Terabyte of storage on an external hard drive to back up everything.

I agree with LeMarchand about PC World. There only interested in sales and not customer satisfaction. Plus they are expensive.

I use Overclockers or CCL online when I buy hardware. I`ve found them cheaper than most and they will build a PC for you for a small charge.

If you`re having software problems I`ve found a web site called The Eldergeek which can be very useful to non techies http://www.theeldergeek.com/

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Re the Medion: When Aldi sent me an email about it, it was described as an "ideal starter PC"! (Personally, I think it's overkill for a starter PC and if that's the current "starter" spec I feel woefully inadequate :( ).

It also has a "wired" LAN port built in, so you can use it wired (which would be my preference/recommendation). It's no more techie than any other PC - I think that the plethora of specifications they are quoting just make it seem that way. (More details here by the way). It also comes with Works and a bunch of other titles ranging from possibly useful to not useful at all - especially the "trial" ones.

I have a Medion, and on the whole it has been very reliable. However there was a niggling annoyance with the USB ports (which seems to have cleared up now, so possibly a Windows problem rather than a hardware one) and I was hoping a BIOS upgrade might fix it. Unfortunately when I attempted an upgrade, it borked the machine completely and Medion's "customer service" basically told me that it was tough luck that the BIOS that I had downloaded from their site had screwed my machine and that the small print stated as much. Luckily (with much fiddling) I was eventually able to sort the problem. Judging by the "unofficial" Medion forum, I'm not the only one - I really must get around to joining to post how I cured it. Others have reported that they are quite good with "normal" warranty claims, but my experience wasn't so good. Mind you, if I was in the market for upgrading my machine I would be tempted...

Re W7: note that the "free" upgrade actually costs you Ј20 for materials and S&H (which at a generous estimate must cost oooh... Ј2?). Also (unless MS have yet again changed their minds) all Euro versions of W7 are "clean install" only - i.e. you have to back up any of your documents etc and install from scratch, then reinstall your programs and documents. Not that difficult, but probably not for a technophobe!

I was running the beta of W7 on a rubbish laptop with only 512MB RAM and it was running OK - not something I would have attempted with Vista! I would say that it is more of a culture shock to move from XP to W7 than from XP to Vista though. One of my schools is planning on getting new laptops for the teachers soon, and when the head finally remembers to bring in "his" machine (that he never uses as he is - boo! - a Mac Head) I was going to install W7 to test software compatibility with the school's "standard" software. The hope is that everything will work and we'll be able to go for W7 machines. Unfortunately most educational software is shoddily coded, so I'm not overly hopeful. In particular the LEA's choice of registration/pupil management etc software (which costs a huge amount of money and is - surprise! - from the company that now runs the council) didn't work properly with Office 2007 until late 2008 so I'm not holding my breath...

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:( Ah, got such a shock on Sunday! - my hard drive failed (after 14 years first and hopefully last time!) It said in big white letters that my hard drive had failed! and couldn't get past the black screen (with 'Press F1 for Reset or Press ..... to Exit Setup"....) -- Even though I knew it was coming - felt a tad fizzed-off and Very, VERY desolate without my computer!.... :(

Today, I thought I just switch it on for old time's sake and HEY! - it came on! ... :huh:
(going to take the opportunity to back-up really quickly and will try and keep it alive for as long as poss....)

Got an engineer coming to check it all out tomorrow - BUT - anyone reading this - please try and make some time to go and back up your most precious / favourite stuff TOday !)

Anyone seen anything as I Still haven't managed to see anything interesting out there - looked for that PC in Morrison's (LeM) but couldn't find it... and there is a Fujitsu in Argos (the upgraded one) which looks ok - but no W7 on it...? I suppose I'll have to pay the whole hog to get a W7 upgrade on current Vista market stuff... Or wait for the next gen of PC's to come out around Christmas time - with W7 on it ??

Thanks Bluper!

The site looks great and will try my best to go in and check everything out ... didn't you tell me on another post that you'd built your PC from old stuff... ??? (Amendment - from scratch!) ... am sooo jealous of all yooos lot out there who know what the Hell I'm talking about....

Thanks Lem !

Worringly it sounds like W7 will be harder to get used to than Vista ??? Sounds like they have not advanced it from XP which seemed more user friendly - but taken it one step beyond the Vista vocabulary of confusion?...
(- don't you know how complicated this has made my life now! :lol: )
The Medion sounds brill and I am full of admiration that you would buy an upgrade of a computer that you had problems with? (Re the USB's) - although I would probably have the same problems and unlike you - I won't be able to fix it! :P ) !
We had our own dedicated 'Intranet' site on our work laptops too and they were a real pain, The Firewall's stopped everything and we couldn't easily go beyond our internal Intranet to surf outside sites (especially when you are trying to find something for a work-related project etc - so know what you mean)

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I think the Morrison's one was one of those "when it's gone, it's gone" deals. It's the price of the Medion (for the specs) that's the big draw - just avoid any of their upgrades. (Or lie if they cause problems!)

W7 isn't released until October 22nd, so you won't find machines with it on until then. It is definitely less "greedy" than Vista - the head remembered his machine and I loaded it today, it's running "OK" on 512MB RAM - but I'm having to look harder for things than I did on Vista. Once I've got used to it (got my retail copy on order) I'm confident that it will be a step up.

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LeMarchand":2f5vihil wrote:
W7 isn't released until October 22nd, so you won't find machines with it on until then.

Ahh :mellow: but

Oh Hoo Noooo - I've got to make my computer last another month! :huh:

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Thanks Lexa.

I`ve built three previous computers from scratch from mainly new components. Computer technology is changing all the time. So if you want to stay current you should at least change the motherboard, memory and processor every three years!
My next computer will be water cooled as the fans (all nine of them!) on my current PC sound like a hair dryer on maximum setting!

PS have you tried doing a Microsoft update resently? Its free and can sometimes fix problems.

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bluper":369iql1b wrote:
My next computer will be water cooled as the fans (all nine of them!) on my current PC sound like a hair dryer on maximum setting!

Water cooled? Oil cooling is where it's at these days! ;)

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Oil cooled?

Not heard of that one on a PC.

I suppose it`s similar to water cooling only with oil. The only advantage I can see is that oil doesn`t give you corrision like a water based system. I`ve seen oil coolers on high speed machine tools but the reservoirs seem to be massive!

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bluper":20ezh3ed wrote:
Oil cooled?

I don't think anyone manufactures them, but you can get kits. Basically you replace the case with something water/oil tight and submerge the innards in mineral oil.

Check this out.

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Thanks LeM.

I checked out the web site in your last message. I didn`t realise they submerged the majority of the PC in oil and it still worked!

I didn`t like the case though. A fish tank is hardly stylish even though it`s water or oil tight.

I didn`t know they used mineral oil for a laxative in horses. So there`s a poor old horse walking about with constipation as the vets run out of oil :lol:

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LeMarchand":23ep5lt2 wrote:
This looks like good value for Ј400 .

Their customer service/warranty sucks the big one though.

.... :) They are selling that Medion (or one very much like it) in Tesco's for Ј299 !

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Lexa":24wts9y5 wrote:
.... :) They are selling that Medion (or one very much like it) in Tesco's for Ј299 !

Hi Lexa.

Is the PC a Medion Akoya E4012 E5200 with 4GB of ram?

If it is then you will need to buy a monitor. The 22in one costs Ј119.
The good thing is that you get double Tesco Clubcard points!
You can buy it online with next day delivery at this site:-

[url=http://direct.tesco.com/q/N.1999034$4294956547/Nr.99.aspx:24wts9y5]Tesco Direct[/url:24wts9y5]

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bluper":fjbsn9qy wrote:
Hi Lexa.

...The good thing is that you get double Tesco Clubcard points!
You can but it online with next day delivery at this site:-

[url=http://direct.tesco.com/q/N.1999034$4294956547/Nr.99.aspx:fjbsn9qy]Tesco Direct[/url:fjbsn9qy]

:huh: Bluper What are you like?.... do you work for Tesco's ? (seen any Jedi? :lol: )

:P

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Lexa":3cl6s5mf wrote:
.... :) They are selling that Medion (or one very much like it) in Tesco's for Ј299 !

It's not the same machine - the specs on the Aldi one are better - but it is probably more suitable as a "normal" home machine and is much cheaper.

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Lexa":j165tcee wrote:
:huh: Bluper What are you like?.... do you work for Tesco's ? (seen any Jedi? :lol: )

:P

Me work at Tesco`s :(
Seen any Jedi?
The answers no to both.

Thanks Lem for putting me right on the Aldi`s PC sec. Personally I would never buy a ready made computer as
I would prefer to build my own! You can pick the best components that way.

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I'm finding it harder and harder to actually find any 'desktop' computers - everything is laptop or netbook...
(Maybe when netbooks get a bit blase, we'll get a cult-type resurgence of desktops back?)

- it's amazing how much everything has come down in price as well. My old hulk of a PC cost me nearЈ600! and now they are Ј299 ... so now waiting for Warehouse 13 vid-phone to come out... and then drop in price ^_^

:mellow: but in the meantime - just saw this in Viking - not a bad little Netbook with a 7" screen for Ј99.99... not bad considering the cheapest I've seen is around the Ј200 mark? Only thing it looks like no wi-fi so living off batteries and not sure you can download memory although sure it would have a USB at least?

Mini Netbook

not sure this will link - if not go to viking-direct.co.uk and look at their PC's etc...

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Hi Lexa.

Can`t find any desktop computers?

There`s loads out there if you know where to look (see below)

I`ve used both of these sites and can recommend them both.

They mainly sell components but they will build a desktop PC for you at a price. You can even pick your own components to improve the spec. if required. There are probably cheaper sites out there but I like these two.

ccl computers

Overclockers UK

Let me know how you get on.

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Lexa":lyzhud6n wrote:
Mini Netbook

It's more of an "internet device" than a computer, the page at Play is more informative. Watch out for the cheaper netbooks, too - many run a variant of Linux rather than Windows. This isn't bad in itself (many would argue that it's better) but you may find it unfamiliar and incompatible with your software/peripherals.

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LeMarchand":3ddq8thd wrote:
It's more of an "internet device" than a computer, the page at Play is more informative. Watch out for the cheaper netbooks, too - many run a variant of Linux rather than Windows. This isn't bad in itself (many would argue that it's better) but you may find it unfamiliar and incompatible with your software/peripherals.

I got my better half one of those mini netbooks. It has a 7.5 inch screen, runs on XP and does not have a coffee cup holder (sorry dvd/cd drive). It has 120 gig memory, 1gig ram and is a fast little number.
(Acer Aspire)

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Bluper = thanks for those links! (the first one I looked at was a pretty big site.. so it's taking me awhile... ^_^ )

thefoxcub":2ghm7amm wrote:
I got my better half one of those mini netbooks. It has a 7.5 inch screen, runs on XP and does not have a coffee cup holder (sorry dvd/cd drive). It has 120 gig memory, 1gig ram and is a fast little number.
(Acer Aspire)

'Acer' ! wooo - I'm sure they're very good (to everyone but me!) bought an Acer desktop in spring and the harddrive failed twice so wasn't impressed.

My PC 'died' (hard-drive failure) again today, but is back on? - Can't really understand it??
I have '0' memory left so have halted my automatic updates which I am sure have eaten every last bit of memory I had...

Question: - would it be ok (in the light of certain/ imminent computer death) to also delete some of the recent Windows Security updates that have automatically loaded on this week, in order to reclaim some memory back?

Pleease pleeeese computer, please live until W7 comes out..... :(

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Lexa":k5jkw21j wrote:
'Acer' ! wooo - I'm sure they're very good (to everyone but me!) bought an Acer desktop in spring and the harddrive failed twice so wasn't impressed.

My PC 'died' (hard-drive failure) again today, but is back on? - Can't really understand it??
I have '0' memory left so have halted my automatic updates which I am sure have eaten every last bit of memory I had...

Question: - would it be ok (in the light of certain/ imminent computer death) to also delete some of the recent Windows Security updates that have automatically loaded on this week, in order to reclaim some memory back?

Acer wash your mouth out. They`re pretty cheap and nasty I`am afraid :(

Have you tried doing a disk cleanup. It`s in Assessories/System Tools -Disk Cleanup( ON WINDOWS XP) You might have to select some of the options/buttons making sure you clean out as much chaff as possible.
Try deleting some of the unused software on your hard disk to free up more space.
What about adding another hard disk to your system. Hard disks are cheap and easy to install. An external drive doesn`t even need to be fitted inside the box. It sits on the desk plugged into a USB port.
More RAM would help(If you get more RAM be careful to get the right type and it matches with what you`ve got) If you don`t have much RAM memory the system will use more hard disk space.It depends on how Windows is using the memory.
It looks like it crashes when it gets fully used up by the system. When you reboot the computer it clears the RAM or temp files allowing you to use the PC again.
You could do a windows restore to get you back to before the updates were installed.

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Lexa":3qtbo5pp wrote:
My PC 'died' (hard-drive failure) again today, but is back on? - Can't really understand it??
I have '0' memory left so have halted my automatic updates which I am sure have eaten every last bit of memory I had...

As this is not the first time your hard drive has crashed, I'd make sure everything is backed up to your external drive...

As for the memory, do you mean you have no Hard Drive space left or do you mean that you have no RAM memory left?

If the former, just move some of your documents - photos, videos, music etc - to your external drive. You could also try running JGoodies Disk Report (if you use the Java download it will run off a USB key). This will create a pie chart (or other charts) that you can drill down in to see what is eating your disk space. Once the scan has finished, I'd recommend saving it as it's all too easy to hit the "home" icon, which I always expect to take me to the "top" of the pie but actually takes you to the "what do you want to do" stage. I found "The Sims 2" taking up about 4GB on a child's laptop yesterday...

bluper's "disk cleanup" is a good idea. In the "advanced" tab you can also remove "all but the most recent" System Restore point (if you're feeling brave). I wouldn't recommend "compressing" the disk, though - just go with the default options. I can't remember if Disk Cleanup removes cookies, but CCleaner (see above) does. You can specify which ones to keep (e.g. for sites where you want to be remembered) and sometimes these tiny bits of information can take up a surprising amount of space.

If it's RAM, try starting in "Safe" mode - press F8 during boot up. This will load Windows and only the most critical stuff. If it seems stable, something is probably eating your RAM. Did you try the MSConfig and Spybot that I mentioned earlier?

Lexa":3qtbo5pp wrote:
Question: - would it be ok (in the light of certain/ imminent computer death) to also delete some of the recent Windows Security updates that have automatically loaded on this week, in order to reclaim some memory back?

I personally wouldn't. If you need hard disk space see above and they shouldn't make that much of a difference to RAM usage.

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bluper":23w3ebbf wrote:
Acer wash your mouth out. They`re pretty cheap and nasty I`am afraid :(

I like the Acer. Its small, very light, runs for a millenium on one battery charge, has 120 gig of memory and comes with XP as standard.
It also has a pretty decent built in webcam and is great for skype calls.
And it fits into my coat pocket or my wife's handbag.

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thefoxcub":27hjhuk3 wrote:
I like the Acer. Its small, very light, runs for a millenium on one battery charge, has 120 gig of memory and comes with XP as standard.
It also has a pretty decent built in webcam and is great for skype calls.
And it fits into my coat pocket or my wife's handbag.

120 gig of memory is bearly sufficient now with modern software and games. Coming with XP used to be preferred over Vista but not since alot of the bugs have been sorted. A built in web cam`s all right until it stops working leaving you with a un replaceable component. Up grading components would also be difficult limiting it`s usefulness for the future.
Saying this- if it works for you great! I was talking about their desktop computers and not their laptop/portable devices.
One thing I will say is that you generally get what you pay for with PC hardware.

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bluper":2gpyq4oq wrote:
120 gig of memory is bearly sufficient now with modern software and games. Coming with XP used to be preferred over Vista but not since alot of the bugs have been sorted. A built in web cam`s all right until it stops working leaving you with a un replaceable component. Up grading components would also be difficult limiting it`s usefulness for the future.
Saying this- if it works for you great! I was talking about their desktop computers and not their laptop/portable devices.
One thing I will say is that you generally get what you pay for with PC hardware.

I#ll agree to differ on that.
As for the future I was reading about the possibility of using spin ice to store monopoles, creating magnatricity - electricity created by m.agnets. There is also the possibility of devices being run on wireless electricity, the teleportation of data rather than the transfer, and a much more integrated relationship between user and machine through bionic and cybernetic implants.
Virtual worlds such as "metaplace" may provide a glimpse into social networking in'the future, and it is very likely that all entertainment will be delivered through the PC - its only a matter of time before TV's come with consoles or PC's integrated as standard.

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thefoxcub":1ulupwbl wrote:
As for the future I was reading about the possibility of using spin ice to store monopoles, creating magnatricity - electricity created by m.agnets. There is also the possibility of devices being run on wireless electricity, the teleportation of data rather than the transfer, and a much more integrated relationship between user and machine through bionic and cybernetic implants.
Virtual worlds such as "metaplace" may provide a glimpse into social networking in'the future, and it is very likely that all entertainment will be delivered through the PC - its only a matter of time before TV's come with consoles or PC's integrated as standard.

Where did you read about this?

Sounds like interesting reading.

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bluper":ydsath8m wrote:
Where did you read about this?

Sounds like interesting reading.

I thinks it`s on the BBC News website under Science & Environment.

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bluper":1aeoen6r wrote:
Where did you read about this?

Sounds like interesting reading.

Yep, some did come from the BBC website, other info from some of the more "questionable sites" I have visited.
I did have the privelage of beta testing metaplace and am quite impressed how that is changing social networks and gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "welcome to my world"

But I have had a glimpse of where modern technology is going in my family.
My 10 year old has taken to "chatting" with me through her Facebook account while I am sitting at the other side of the kitchen table on mine.

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Hi Guys... my PC is limping along on a downward spiral now and my days of getting onto this site are seriously (and intermittently) numbered....

W7 comes out midnight tonight and saw on the News today that people are actually dubious about upgrading to it?
Not surprising really as everyone seems a tad unhappy with Vista... they shoulda' spent the last 7 years developing XP instead of the Vista Family and then W7... and if W7 is a damp squib, that means they would have wasted the last decade on developing rubbish???? Plus Google now says that we won't need an operating system to get online etc so maybe (and I find it's usually the Case after I've just bought something! ) that they have something new up their sleeve???

I have been trying to download all the fab sites you've left me (spybot/ ccleaners etc etc) but just don't have the memory anymore (and yes keep getting low memory warnings now nearly every 5 mins so am on the way out)

I'm gonna save all those fab sites for my new PC - and am printing off some of the PC sites you've given so that I can phonebuy the pc I want if my computer dies before then... in the meantime what do you think of these two I found on 'Comet' of all places! On the list below the first one is a HP 'best seller' and further down the list was a Packard Bell which has a large memory and looked a bit interesting?

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/category....;sort=price_asc

:) and if anyone - ANYONE - gets a Windows 7 in the next week I would be really really interested to know what you think of it! :)

thefoxcub":23oqvuls wrote:
...But I have had a glimpse of where modern technology is going in my family.
My 10 year old has taken to "chatting" with me through her Facebook account while I am sitting at the other side of the kitchen table on mine.

Fox! you've got to hit this on the head... - having a 'virtual' conversation with your daughter (in the same room?)
no seriously because in time, you may actually be having a conversation with a 'virtual' daughter if you're not careful?

;)

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Well, if ALL you want is an internet machine (and possibly some documents and music/video) and want to save money - why not try one of the Linux variants on your own machine? Download Ubuntu - it's free, but a fairly hefty download. It comes as an ISO which you burn to CD, and then you can use the CD to boot your machine from (shout if you need to know how). This will then let you "try out" Ubuntu without actually wiping Windows. If any Nixheads are reading this there'll be a lot off huffing and puffing about which flavour is best, but Ubuntu is generally considered an "easy to use" version.

Ubuntu/Linux generally needs lower specs than Windows BUT isn't as user-friendly. You could then save your documents etc and wipe your machine. Not for the faint-hearted, though and you won't be able to use the programs you are familiar with or find it quite as easy to get help. Would cost nothing, though!

You still haven't said which memory you are low on, btw: disk space or RAM (and a reminder of what size disk/RAM you have would be good).

W7: I've been running it occasionally on some machines - no problems apart from my unfamiliarity so far. My copy should come tomorrow, but I'm unlikely to install it soon as a) I want to get a 1.5TB drive (largest I can afford) as a document storage disk and do a load of faffing before loading W7 and B) I've found out that I'm eligible for a low price copy so may get one and try to sell my pre-order at profit!

As for complaints, I've rarely seen bad things about it. It's Amazon's biggest pre-order ever and is generally well regarded (so far). It wasn't well-known Mac-lover Stephen Fry doing the dissing was it?

The Comet page has changed, so I can't help there, sorry :( .

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Lexa":3u61ztlt wrote:
I'm gonna save all those fab sites for my new PC - and am printing off some of the PC sites you've given so that I can phonebuy the pc I want if my computer dies before then... in the meantime what do you think of these two I found on 'Comet' of all places! On the list below the first one is a HP 'best seller' and further down the list was a Packard Bell which has a large memory and looked a bit interesting?

Which HP & Parkard Bell are you talking about?
Do you realise that you get no mouse,keyboard or monitor with most of these PC`s.
They seem to have a high spec. though but look a bit expensive. Comet are`nt always the cheapest especially when you`re buying a PC.
Have a look at the Dell web site. (see below)
Dell Web Site

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P.S. Did you try the "Safe Mode"?

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bluper":38whimis wrote:
Which HP & Parkard Bell are you talking about?
Do you realise that you get no mouse,keyboard or monitor with most of these PC`s.
They seem to have a high spec. though but look a bit expensive. Comet are`nt always the cheapest especially when you`re buying a PC.

Bluper / LeM
- try these links (sorry can't seem to use the forums inserts) (will try and get onto that Dell site)
The first HP looks ok, the other two look GREAT (one is probably more for gaming though - but I could get to like that...!) .. although they may be a bit too much/techie for me (? maybe??) :rolleyes: I thought I'd go for just the base unit as I already have the other bits (albeit old!) - do you think its better to get a package instead then?
Plus yesterday I saw a link beside them where I could upgrade to W7 on special offer - but now I think that's been removed...

(1) Comet/ packard bell
http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/5...LL-IMEDIA-A4521

(2) Comet/ HP P6107
http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/555126/HP-P6107

(3) Comet/ HP P6206
http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/587389/HP-P6206

LeMarchand":38whimis wrote:
Well, if ALL you want is an internet machine (and possibly some documents and music/video) and want to save money - why not try ...........

....You still haven't said which memory you are low on, btw: disk space or RAM (and a reminder of what size disk/RAM you have would be good).

As for complaints, I've rarely seen bad things about it. It's Amazon's biggest pre-order ever and is generally well regarded (so far). It wasn't well-known Mac-lover Stephen Fry doing the dissing was it..

LeM no I don't want an 'internet' machine - I like Word etc lots, so can't understand what Google are on about as most people need more than just internet (don't they ???)
Saw it (more criticism than complaint) on National News today all channels and you've prob seen it as well by now - (although I used to have a Mac at work many moons ago and liked it / especially as you could skip between a Mac set up and a Windows set up? - sorry! - but nowadays lots of CDs I hear won't run on a Mac?)

My spec is -
MS WinXP Home/
V2002 with 256MB RAM (now 0 !)
C: Drive was 4.04GB capacity (now a yo-yo'ingn between 3 + 5GB) (AMENDMENT: Now yo-yo'ing between 3 + 5 Mb !!)
Switched off Auto Updates and removed all my docs and pics.
When I try to enter any Favourites (including Sci Fi :( ) ..it loses it a bit
Tried Safemode but found couldn't do much...
and now preparing a grave.... :(

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bluper":3u6xmhrs wrote:
Can`t find any desktop computers?
There`s loads out there if you know where to look (see below)
I`ve used both of these sites and can recommend them both.

They mainly sell components but they will build a desktop PC for you at a price. You can even pick your own components to improve the spec. if required. There are probably cheaper sites out there but I like these two.

ccl computers

Overclockers UK

Let me know how you get on.

PS: Bluper - found this special offer on one of your sites - what are 'overclockers' - it was in the spec below? (or is that something to do with the Brand?)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....444&subcat=

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Sorry, forgot about Google's "cloud".

There is an growing movement towards "cloud" computing: the user just has a basic machine that connects to the internet, which is where all the "hard work" is done. For instance, you can currently use G-Mail, Google Documents etc online (for free). My worries are threefold:

1) How does this make money? Either there will have to be ads, or they start charging (probably more and more).
2) Data security (why I don't use G-Mail). (Tin foil hat time) I don't want Google or anyone else knowing my every move.
3) I'll be out of a job...

In other news:

In Safe Mode, you won't be able to do a lot (though if you choose "Safe Mode with networking" you should be able to get online). It was more of a test - if the system is stable in Safe Mode, you've probably got software issues.

That said, I'm amazed that (given your specs) the machine is still running at all.

I've not heard that about Macs, though I'm not keen on them. (I think they're over-priced and aimed at those who are more concerned with style over substance).

P.S. "Overclocking" is a process that pushes components beyond their stated performance levels in order to squeeze the greatest performance from a system.

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LeMarchand":1fgz0kr2 wrote:
......That said, I'm amazed that (given your specs) the machine is still running at all.

Thanks LeM!

One very careful owner.... HeH - I wish! (will try and get back to safemode and give it a longer go)
and sorry - had to amend the GB/Mb on my spec above - to -
(C: Drive was 4.04GB capacity (now a yo-yo'ingn between 3 + 5GB) (AMENDMENT: Now yo-yo'ing between 3 + 5 Mb !!)

Don't like the sound of that Google 'cloud'! We would inevitably all have to pay lots to use it - God how complicated the computing Horizon looks !

Plus gone are the days when new operatings systems were just one thing coming out - I've just discovered W7 is following in the footsteps of Vista with their Basic/ Home and Ultimate 'packages' again... what is the point! (aaahh yes, money!)

humph - I am seriously considering seeking out a Bill Gates Forum and giving him a piece of my mind!

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Lexa":1p3l1gjt wrote:
PS: Bluper - found this special offer on one of your sites - what are 'overclockers' - it was in the spec below? (or is that something to do with the Brand?)

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....444&subcat=

Sorry lexa. The Overclockers link should have gone to the main desktop PC page. See below

Overclockers Desktop PC`s

An overclocker is somebody that changes his system hardware to make it go faster. Hence overclocking involves a lot of geeky jiggery pokery with voltage settings etc. (not for the non computer wizz kid type) The main disadvantage with overclocking the system is heat. Because of the increased speed, you have more heat generated as it is working harder. In extreme cases you can damage the computer beyond repair :(
If you`re going to attempt it try finding out if it`s safe first by scanning the net for advice from like minded GEEKS :lol:

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